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#1 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:00:00 PM(UTC)
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Thân chào tất cả.

Rất hân hạnh được làm quen với những vị ở đây mà VY chưa từng có cơ hội biết qua, và xin gởi lời hỏi thăm đến các thành viên đã cùng sinh họat với VY tại những forums khác trước kia. Big Smile

VY biết trong đây không khuyến khích sử dụng tiếng Anh. Nếu ai có nhã hứng và thời gian để cùng trao đổi vài bài Anh ngữ với VY, xin mời ghé sang đây proof reading giùm bài "bình luận" VY viết sau khi xem phim First Morning nha?

http://vietyouth.net/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1890

Cám ơn nhiều.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:42:48 PM(UTC)
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Ái cha, một tay cự phách trong làng viết lách! Welcome VY tới PNV Rose

PC nghĩ VY muốn viết tiếng Anh thì cứ viết, có sao đâu, chắc VY cũng có nhiều độc giả tiếng Anh trong đây đó mà !
Chúc vui nghe VY! beerchug
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#3 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:47:59 PM(UTC)
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Chị Phượng Các "khách sáo" kiểu này làm em út tổn thọ đó nha. Big Smile

Thanks for the warm welcome, sis.

Nhưng mà VY chỉ chuyên trị về "tranh luận" (không hơn thua) thôi. Ghé vào đọc thì thường xuyên. Nhưng post bài thì chắc họa hoằn thôi, chị ơi. Shy

Hello chị Ngô Đồng. And all. beerchug
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#4 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:58:23 PM(UTC)
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Hổng dám coi VY là em út đâu nha (về phương diện tranh luận!). Có hai người trong đây mà PC phải né hổng dám tranh luận là anh Triển Chiêu và VY đó chớ! Hai người có "đụng độ" bao giờ chưa vậy? Tongue Hổng phải xúi hai người đâu nha! Tongue

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#5 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2005 12:34:41 AM(UTC)
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Trước khi đi khò, phải vô đây thanh minh thanh nga tí xíu, nghen chị PC. :)

Cám ơn chị đã "coi nặng" VY. "Không dám dây với hủi", right? Tongue Nói chớ "nước sông không phạm nước giếng" (tại sợ té giếng), Tongue VY chưa có khi nào thất lễ với mấy chị mà, phải hông nè. Big Smile VY chỉ "lên cơn" với những "đối tượng"... nào đó thôi. Nhưng giờ già ra, khôn hơn tí... bớt wậy phá bậy bạ rồi. Shy

Hổng biết bro TC này có từng "nực" VY hồi nào hông thôi (vì VY suốt ngày chỉ ăn xong rồi đi "gây lộn"). Chứ VY thì hình như chưa bao giờ dám đụng đến cọng lông chân nào của TC "đại hiệp" hết. Vì VY vẫn còn đang tính đeo theo anh TC định nhờ vả chỉ giùm cho vài chiêu để xây nhà (TC, aka Kiến, là thợ cả của gachnoionline mà, đúng không?). Big Smile

Hello anh TC. And my sincere greeting to the whole population of the minority group in here.
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#6 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2005 1:02:59 AM(UTC)
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Anh Triển Chiêu và anh Kiến là hai người khác nhau đó.

PNV cũng đang tìm người coi phụ phần kỹ thuật đó VY à.
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#7 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2005 7:26:57 AM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2005 8:01:31 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Gởi bởi Phượng Các

Anh Triển Chiêu và anh Kiến là hai người khác nhau đó.

PNV cũng đang tìm người coi phụ phần kỹ thuật đó VY à.




Oh, my bad. Shy

Ai quen qua VY cũng biết cái bịnh này của VY. Trông gà hóa cuốc. Có khi nói chuyện với người này mà gọi tên người kia. Email lộn địa chỉ... DeadSad

Xin lỗi cả hai anh TC và Kiến.


Cám ơn liêu thái thái đã ghé thăm,
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Thái Thái nhắc đến chữ nobody dễ làm VY tủi thân lắm đó nghen. Sad

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#9 Posted : Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:04:55 PM(UTC)
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Hello Liêu Thái Thái,

Nghe nói hình như 21-23 này LTT ghé qua OC?
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#10 Posted : Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:39:44 PM(UTC)
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VY trễ nguyên một tháng lận đó! Black Eye

Trong khi chờ duyên... mới TongueBig Smile, mình beerchug đỡ ở đây vậy nha!
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#11 Posted : Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:27:18 PM(UTC)
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2005 12:59:41 AM(UTC)
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dtqa chào làm quen với VY. Hy vọng đọc được nhiều bài bình luận của VY trên diễn đàn của PNV ha. Smile
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2005 4:45:01 PM(UTC)
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Gởi bởi ductriqueanh


dtqa chào làm quen với VY. Hy vọng đọc được nhiều bài bình luận của VY trên diễn đàn của PNV ha. Smile



Thân chào ĐTQA,

Cám ơn QA đã có nhã ý "ngỏ lời". VY viết loạng quạng mất công PNV bị "dzăng miểng" chung thì phiền lắm. Shocked It's best that I stay a viewer in here.

BTW, sao hổng thấy có ai cho biết ý kiến sau khi đọc bài "review" của VY hết dị ta? Thấy log ghi là có gần 400 người ghé vào (don't know how many actually read what I wrote).
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2005 4:55:31 PM(UTC)
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Gởi bởi Viet Youth
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BTW, sao hổng thấy có ai cho biết ý kiến sau khi đọc bài "review" của VY hết dị ta? Thấy log ghi là có gần 400 người ghé vào (don't know how many actually read what I wrote).


bài gì ở đâu vậy VY?
VY thức khuya ghê ha? hôm trước đã tưởng VY ở Âu châu, chừng đọc profile thì thấy Cali Question

hyc hyc... dù ở đâu thì cũng no star hí, thế giới ảo muh!
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#15 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2005 5:55:04 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Gởi bởi Liêu thái thái
bài gì ở đâu vậy VY?
VY thức khuya ghê ha? hôm trước đã tưởng VY ở Âu châu, chừng đọc profile thì thấy Cali Question

hyc hyc... dù ở đâu thì cũng no star hí, thế giới ảo muh!
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Hello LTT,
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VY còn có biệt hiệu là người dơi mà (night person đó).

Bài "cảm nghĩ" của VY sau khi xem phim First Morning có để link bên trên đó "sis". Please tell me what you think. I can handle it--truly. BlushSmile
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#16 Posted : Monday, November 21, 2005 6:07:44 PM(UTC)
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chào người dơi Big Smile
thảo nào! hôm trước wa... bỏ wa cái link nớ là vì tại wa rành tiếng chị muh... ngọng tiếng anh đó VY Shy
thôi tha cho wa ngheo, vừa đọc vừa ôm kè kè từ điển là hổng có wa đó Tongue
nếu có ai mắc...dịch, dịch ra tiếng mít mình hay tiếng ông Mít Đại Lãng thì wạ may wa sẽ... chấm điểm Tongue bài bình loạn của VY hyc hyc hyc!!!

vui nha!
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:19:41 AM(UTC)
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Chào Trẻ Việt hay Việt Trẻ đây hah?

Xin lỗi nghen , mấy bữa ni nhìn thấy Tiếng Anh tiếng Mỹ "nhảy " lên "nhảy" xuống tui chỉ đứng xa xa ngó mà coi chứ hổng dzám đọc mà xem cái gì lấp lánh trên bầu trời PNV. Nay mới dzám bước dzô vì Liêu Liêu( mắc cỡ) phu nhân nói no star ( tiếng này thì tui biết , còn biết thêm một chữ nữa cho đủ bộ where đó ). Trên trời mà LTT nói hổng có sao thì làm sao có ánh sáng để mà thấy nhau đây?

Tui có chạy theo dòm thử cái bài bình luận của VY nghen , nhưng tiếng Anh thì tui dở ẹc mà tiếng Em , chữ nghĩa kìa ,thì cũng không hay ho gì . Ôm tự điển thì không còn sức nữa , bệnh tay mỏi gối rung đang ồ ạt tấn công giống như cúm gà đang hoành hành ở quê ta dzậy đó. Hay là VY viết tiếng Ta đi nghen cho chị em cỡ tui đọc chứ tiếng nước ngòai ( í phải là tiếng nước trong mới phải chứ huh?) tui e chỉ có PC và vài ba ACE trình độ cao cấp mới góp ý được thui á BlushBig Smile

Mới dzô làm quen mà tui mắc dịch cái nick của VY chưa biết đúng hay sai nữa , thấy chưa? Làm ơn chỉ giáo để tui học hỏi thêm về cái tật mắc dịch này ShyBig Smile
hihi., LTT biết tui hay mắc dịch mới hiểu được người ta nói gì đó VY ơi. Chúc tuổi trẻ tài cao vươn mau tiến mãi trên bầu trời nhiều trăng sao nhá ( tui thấy nhiều trăng chứ hổng chỉ có một đâu nghen ) Big Smile
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:34:49 AM(UTC)
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dtqa đã đọc bài của VY về phim First Morning rồi. dtqa không đi coi kịp phim, nên không thể có ý kiến riêng của mình, nhưng những người trong gia đình đi xem thì thích phim này vì cho rằng phim có cái "style" đặc biệt của trường phái phim Á Châu (nghĩa là chậm). Diễn viên đóng đạt, nhưng Minh Trí (Johnny Nguyen) thì có phần yếu hơn, chưa hẳn vì khả năng diễn xuất mà vì trở ngại ngôn ngữ.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:26:25 PM(UTC)
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Chào Ba Tê,
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Xin lỗi LTT & BT nha. VY chưa viết bản tiếng Việt. Khi nào "hoàn tất" loạt bài này (gợi hứng bằng tiếng Anh), VY sẽ viết lại phần tiếng Việt sau héng? Thanks.
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Thanks, ĐTQA.
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VY searched một hồi thì thấy hầu như ai ai cũng thích FM hết. Khen không thôi.

Thì đành chơi nổi, lội ngược giòng vậy. Question
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#20 Posted : Saturday, December 3, 2005 3:29:48 PM(UTC)
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Hi guys,

Can someone stop by to proof read my review of the film First Morning, and tell me what you think?

http://vietyouth.net/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=1890

Thanks.

Here's my lastest review regarding this movie.

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Let me put things back in "perspective"/order again, if you would allow me, please.

1- Writing the review about First Morning, as a movie, with limited budget, being his first full-feature and all, I would have to say Victor had succeeded. First Morning was "one of the best Vietnamese film that I've seen."

2- However, with my high expectation, hoping we may finally be able to break into the mainstream "movies industry"... First Morning did not measure up to those standards/expectations. That's my other assessment.

3- I guess as a businessperson, eventually, one would have to consider a market with 80 millions potential viewers in mainland Vietnam who has more time to spare to go watch your movies over a couple of millions Viet overseas who have less time to check out your films (not to mention they will have to choose between the Hollywood films and yours).

I speculated that Vietnamese film makers, like other entertainers (PD, EP, HL...) if they cannot break into Hollywood, will probably choose to cater their films to the audience in Vietnam instead. That's why they have to "sacrifice" a little (artistry, facts) to get "permission" to do business in VN.

4- "Fahrenheit 911" did have an impact on the political arena of America. “Commander in Chief” is preparing us (to be more open-minded to the idea) for a future female president.

A movie, even a picture, does have an impact on society depends how widely it is viewed/accepted, how much people take it to heart--and last but not least, how “politicians” can use/spin it to their advantage.

I am not saying Victor Võ had any hidden political agenda in his movie. But the truth of the matter is: Others might be able, and they will spin the film to their liking/needs.

Ngô Tất Tố, the author of “Tức Nước Vỡ Bờ” probably wasn’t a communist. He probably didn’t write that novel as a tool to aid the “revolution”. But I was taught otherwise by the communist regime.

What about Trịnh Công Sơn, do you think all his songs were written to help the communists of North to win the war by undermining the will (to fight the war) of the Army of the South? A lot of people believe so. And that might be true--not that the author intended so, but that's the effect of his "art".

What's the difference about the media coverage of the Vietnam War and the War in Iraq? Why haven’t we seen any maimed bodies or even caskets shown on TV so far, regarding the War in Iraq? Because they learned their lesson.

That’s what we called “selective” reporting, selective omissions, spinning, or damage control. The P.R. people are best at this (deciding what to be shown/said and what to "avoid"—so does the propaganda machine in VN.

I did not say Victor Võ should not or cannot make movies about Vietnam. I’m just saying, with his limited understanding about the whole “thing” (the War and its consequences), choosing to address these issues will leave a lot of “holes” that can be exploited by others for their own agenda. He could have used better "advisors".

Major film companies usually will have to consult with experts regarding the fields (language, history, fashion…) they want to explore, before actually going into production, in their attempt to best portrait/showcase/represent the isssues/people/events as accurately as they can.

I think if it's up to me, I’d present the film a bit differently--to be a little more historically correct—-but still be able to preserve the integrity of the artistry/plot/script of the film.

And that's my other two cents.


Thanks for reading.

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Here's our latest exchanges:
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Let's revisit our "differences" and "agreements":

a- You wrote, "If you state that movie makers should do a research on history to have accurate facts then I would agree." Ditto! It takes me so long to try to make the same point.

b- You added, "However, First Morning just use that period of time as a backdrop of his story, which details we all knew were valid, just as he told in the interview his story was based on stories that he'd heard over the years by relatives."

I guess this is where we differed. My concern is that with selective representation or omission, facts can be misconstrued or distorted, unintentionally, subconsciously--or spinned to fit someone else’s agendas.

How would the Jewish people feel if the "concentration camps" were set in a beautiful resort, the "prisoners" all look neat and healthy, the guards look courteous and polite... What if I make a film about the Holocaust (about one of the victims, using the War as a backdrop/setting) but decide to just narrate briefly "we were put in camps, and later rescued..."

Eyes browses would have raised would they not--if I'm lucky.

What I'm trying to say is that movie is about "representation", bringing the experience/event/emotion to the audience, putting them in those circumstances/situations to "experience" it themselves. A film should not be just a “reminder”, or short “narration” (kind of cheating, if you ask me).

For those who had actually been through the "wars", the Holocaust, or the “Exodus”, just the mere mentioning of those events would bring back tears, the whole experience. But it's unfair to expect others to relate to their stories or understand what they'd been through if we do not accurately and adequately "tell" the "whole story".

Just the name of our loved ones appearing on the email list would bring joyce to some. I have no doubt you didn't need much elaboration to empathize or understand what the girl in First Morning went through and what her state of mind may be like (to "enjoy"/appreciate the film).

However, my "criticism" was about the inadequacy of the film in its attempt to engage/explain to the audience (non-Viet, younger Viet) whose knowledge about the escapes, crossing of the ocean, the deaths along the way, the encounters with pirates, tortures, enslaver, and massacres… were—I have no doubt—very limited. And those “void”, left out details, could be filled variously depends on who do the spinning.

c- You wrote, “Like I already stated the film is not perfect, there are many faults, but for a debut picture, I am willing to overlook them.” Again, I’m with you on this.

d- You wrote. “Well, although the market of 80 millions of Vietnamese sounds so attractive, but in reality the majority of Vietnamese audience doesn't go to the theater. It's not like in the States (and every else in the world), Vietnamese at home don't care about the sounds effect, how well the scenery is shot ...etc, they just want to watch the movie, and they are happy with a DVD copy, and watch it at home.”

However, looking further into the future, I still believe the audience in Vietnam will far more outnumber those living abroad. Let’s say there’s only one theater in each major city in VN, there would still be hundreds of them comparing to a few that we have (refer to your listing of scheduled showing for FM). Even if the ticket price is only a dollar each, I can safely “forecast” that, one day, the “box office" record for films in Vietnam can reach a million dollars, easily (comparing to several hundred millions for Hollywood, right now).

e- You wrote, “But the point here is that, I think Victor Vu or any director wants to break into the film industry, to cater to the majority of the audience, not necessary Vietnamese alone, abroad or at home. If your movie is good, it will reach the audience. Hey, good Chinese movies are doing very well now. Memoir of a Geisha is directed by Rob Marshall and is financed by Steven Spielberg. Once people recognize there's a good story, there's a talent, then they will do the finance.

Have you watched Better Luck tomorrow, it's a very good movie, and Justin Lin, the director has received a lot of offers afterwards. In fact he has three movies in his hands right now. I hope young Vietnamese directors have luck as the same (and they can choose stories, make movies the way they please).”

This will only reenforce my “belief”. I think the recent acceptance and “rise to fame” of a wave of Chinese directors and actors were not the result of the “change of taste” or sudden realization of Hollywood that Chinese (Hong Kong) can make movies, too. In contrary, just as Bollywood is finally recognized, I think that Hollywood had finally realized the potential 1.5 billion in China and 1 billion viewers in India (who finally can afford to go see the movies now).

Financing a movie showcasing Chow Yuan Fat, for instance, in the worst case scenario, even if it doesn’t make money in the U.S., will eventually turn profit after you showed it to the whole population of Asia (China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, India, Singapore, Thailand and Japan). Does that make any sense?

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Here's my comparison between First Morning and Saving Face:
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The striking similarity about First Morning and Saving Face is that they were written/produced by either second genertion American or "Whiies", about the gaps/"struggle" of immigrants, between generations; the cast were all ethnic minorities/immigrants (Vietnamese or Chinese); the dialogues in the films were mostly non-English (Vietnamese or Chinese). There were some issues (ethnic, minority, generation gap) the directors/writers wanted to address; there were twists in the plots...

Isn't Ang Lee the director of Hidden Dragon, Crouching Tiger? I also said, a long time ago, he's Chinese Vietnamese--just as Lữ Luơng Vỹ and Chung Sở Hồng. I think he's in the league of directors the like of Martin Scorsese, if not Steven Spielberg.

It would be understandable if “our” younger directors started out having Ang Lee as their “role model”/goal, just as all basketball players my age wanted to “be like Mike”, and younger players now wish they could play like Kobe.

I would be happy and content if my children know how to dribble the ball, make proper jump shots, pick and roll, shake and “bake”, drive in, post a better-than-70% free-throw record, around 30% three-pointers… That means they can play ball (at high school varsity level). Later on, if they can “slam dunk”, or do the “a le hoop”, that’s even sweeter yet: They may be good enough to play at college level or more.

What I am trying to say is that, there’s “dream”, ambition; and there’s realistic “expectation”. I wasn't disappointed because Victor Võ was not as good as Ang Lee (in his first attempt), or First Morning didn’t measure up to Eat Drink Man Woman. But I was disappointed, nevertheless—rightly so, I believe.

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